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General Category => Tech/Hardware => Topic started by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 14, 2011, 04:26:51 PM

Title: TV'S
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 14, 2011, 04:26:51 PM
Is this T.V any good? I don't know shit about t.v's ay.

Someone give me a rundown on this model. Thinking about getting it with my course costs!

http://www.jbhifi.co.nz/tv-lcd-led-plasma/sony/40-inch-full-hd-lcd-tv-sku-31042/
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: massi4h on March 14, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Well I'm no expert, but that looks like a mean tv for the lounge for tv and movie watching, but would be a bit laggy for gaming if that's what you want it for.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: amendonz on March 14, 2011, 04:37:19 PM
since we're on the topic, anyone know of any good Lagfree 32 inches? hard to find anything with solid info
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 14, 2011, 04:39:11 PM
Quote from: massi4h on March 14, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Well I'm no expert, but that looks like a mean tv for the lounge for tv and movie watching, but would be a bit laggy for gaming if that's what you want it for.

I don't care if it lags. I play on the lagstation 3 anyways. I just don't want it to be really laggy like i still wanna be able to play my games on it. Or have something shitty that i'm missing. Or if there's better deals or something.

Fuck i'm so close to impulse buying. But i better wait for a bit incase anyways.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: electric on March 14, 2011, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: amendonz on March 14, 2011, 04:37:19 PM
since we're on the topic, anyone know of any good Lagfree 32 inches? hard to find anything with solid info

I talked about this a while back, but it was dismissed due to only being 720p and lack of concrete information, IIRC: http://www.panasonic.co.nz/viera/lcds/th-l32x20z.html - 1 frame of lag from what I recall

SSF4 and Marvel run in 720p, so depends on what game you're playing I guess.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: amendonz on March 14, 2011, 04:45:57 PM
oh yeah, thats looks ok, cheers
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: LN on March 14, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
Quote from: electric on March 14, 2011, 04:41:07 PM
SSF4 and Marvel run in 720p, so depends on what game you're playing I guess.

On the PS3, yes. Some 360 users like upscaling to 1080p.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: electric on March 14, 2011, 08:31:25 PM
Quote from: LN on March 14, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
On the PS3, yes. Some 360 users like upscaling to 1080p.

Sure, but this doesn't change the fact that the game natively runs in 720p on both platforms - it's just that actually running the game in 1080p is actually possible on xbox  ;D
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: [NIUE] weazzyefff on March 15, 2011, 04:28:27 PM
I got a Sony Bravia 40inch 40ex400. Fucking games look way to mint on it. Wayyy better than my crt hahahaha.

Can't really notice the lag. My CRT must've lagged too. Can't wait to get blazed tonight and play killzone 3. Gonna be awesome.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: amendonz on April 10, 2011, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: electric on March 14, 2011, 04:41:07 PM
I talked about this a while back, but it was dismissed due to only being 720p and lack of concrete information, IIRC: http://www.panasonic.co.nz/viera/lcds/th-l32x20z.html - 1 frame of lag from what I recall

SSF4 and Marvel run in 720p, so depends on what game you're playing I guess.

i found this lag test for Panasonic VIERA 32" TC-L32X1 (i'm assuming they are just a region variant(although thats pure speculation)) but from what i can tell they are the same model, IPS Pro panel, etc so it should be pretty much the same..(correct me if i'm wrong)


(http://i48.tinypic.com/2j3s47p.jpg)

guess i'll find out in a couple weeks
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: Rorooze on April 10, 2011, 05:08:03 PM
wow that is beast.

amendonz, where did you get that info from?
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: amendonz on April 10, 2011, 05:30:51 PM
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464

i got mine from this guy, $500 on layby over 5 weeks  ;)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/TVs/LCD/3039/auction-366644961.htm
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: electric on April 10, 2011, 09:33:17 PM
That's the one I found when I did my research - and yes, from what I gathered at the time, it's just a region variance.

Rorooze, that test was carried out by Cicada from SRK (used to run House of Cicada streams) so it's proven to be baller

Amendonz, if you don't mind, could you please give a "review" when you receive this panel ? I'm sure there are plenty of people here looking for a proven great panel
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: karizzma on April 10, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
Ya I need another screen and one that doubles as a tv is good.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: Rorooze on April 10, 2011, 10:11:49 PM
Wow, $500. Just need to sell my TV and i'll get one.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: amendonz on April 10, 2011, 10:23:39 PM
Quote from: electric on April 10, 2011, 09:33:17 PM
That's the one I found when I did my research - and yes, from what I gathered at the time, it's just a region variance.

Rorooze, that test was carried out by Cicada from SRK (used to run House of Cicada streams) so it's proven to be baller

Amendonz, if you don't mind, could you please give a "review" when you receive this panel ? I'm sure there are plenty of people here looking for a proven great panel

i'l try man, i doubt i'll be able to test it properly, but i'l do what i can
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: redtie on April 11, 2011, 07:00:01 AM
had a look for some monitors on trademe but I have no idea about response time

Is 2ms response any good? Anyone care to break it down for me?
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: Rorooze on April 11, 2011, 08:38:08 AM
2ms is great but response time isn't the same as input lag.

response time is like the time it takes for a pixel to change from black to white then back to black again, or something. the lower the value the less chance you will have of ghosting, etc.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: massi4h on April 11, 2011, 09:24:05 AM
Yeah that's why people do those lag tests with the clocks as you see on the previous page. Normally comparing the monitor with a crt or something that's proven to be lagless. If your photos have both screens on the same milliseconds you can be pretty sure they're lag free.

Sadface that our 37" lags too much to play with, it said 6ms on the box (and has a thing called motion flow) so I thought hey that's less than a frame that won't lag. But when I try to calibrate guitar hero on it I get values of at least 3 frames usually. Still a good TV for movies and TV though and I'm happy with my 20" monitor.

Finding lag tests for monitors was pretty rare last time I looked.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: redtie on April 11, 2011, 09:44:01 AM
Ahhh I see makes more sense now. I thought they were one in the same.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: amendonz on April 29, 2011, 06:07:12 PM
TV arrived, first impressions are good.. 720p with game mode still looks good as.

would the lag test on rock band be any good as a "rough" test?

i guess if i tried hard enough i could find a decent slr to use for a lag test, but then i'd need to find a pc with 2 video outputs since mine doesn't (that wouldn't be too hard either) hmm we'll see
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: massi4h on April 30, 2011, 09:43:31 AM
I'm not too sure about the rock band calibration test, cause iirc 0ms doesn't actually mean 0 lag. They have negative lag values for some unknown reason, so I don't know what value you would want for no lag.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: rugdoctor on April 30, 2011, 10:18:23 AM
play any of the rhythm games with the sound off and see if you can hit the notes by eyeballing. In the process of determining lag on one of my de-interlacer (iscan pro) with beatmania, seems ok.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: massi4h on April 30, 2011, 11:02:34 AM
For guitar hero and most games that should kinda work with the lag offset on 0. But Rock Band 2 did something funny making 0 the standard of average HD TVs or something like that, so you can get negative values.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: redtie on May 18, 2011, 10:58:32 PM
Anyone know anything about ViewSonic 19" VA1932WMA monitor?

Picked one up lastnight for $90

edit:

(http://www.resizr.com/resized/472d1.png)

So how do you interpret this?
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: LN on May 19, 2011, 07:07:13 AM
Using any human driven feedback loop is a terrible way of testing for low input delay, btw.
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: amendonz on May 19, 2011, 07:41:36 AM
Yeah never bothered with it.  Still trying to sort out a decent slr and a better graphics card
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: redtie on May 19, 2011, 10:39:38 AM
Damn it well fuck it. This lag shit is gay just going to have to use my awesome adaption skills on every monitor I play on now
Title: Re: TV'S
Post by: geneterror on May 19, 2011, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: redtie on May 19, 2011, 10:39:38 AM
This lag shit is gay just going to have to use my awesome adaption skills on every monitor I play on now
Spoken like a real World Warrior 8)